Old Goat
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Fumot has published a sponsored announcement promoting its German line-up. Buried among the rotating tanks, five-digit puff counters and the usual marketing fog is something that properly gets under my hide: a 0.4-ohm DTL disposable carrying a claimed 17ml of 20mg/ml nicotine-salt e-liquid.
A DTL disposable.
Because apparently ordinary disposables were not wasteful enough. Now they want to drag disposable thinking into the part of vaping that was built to be the exact opposite.
Sponsored announcement:
vaping360.com
Official Altera listing:
fumotde.de
DTL has always been the workshop end of vaping
DTL was built by hobbyists.
It is where we learned to wrap coils, wick decks, balance airflow, understand Ohm’s law and choose batteries that would not turn our trousers into an emergency. It is where people mixed their own juice, experimented with flavour and spent three pages arguing about whether raising a coil by half a millimetre improved the vape.
We bought hardware that could be maintained. A decent mod lasted years. An RDA or RTA could last even longer. When the cotton was finished, we replaced the cotton—not the battery, circuit board, casing, screen and entire bloody device.
That is DTL at its purest: not a puff delivery service, but a craft.
Now we have a sealed plastic device running a 0.4-ohm coil with 20mg nic salt through it. No rebuilding. No maintenance. No choosing a sensible nicotine strength for the amount of vapour being produced. Use it, flatten it and throw the whole machine away.
That is not progress. It is disposability invading the home of proper vaping.
Before somebody shouts “gatekeeping”
I am not blaming the person using one.
Adults should use whatever keeps them away from cigarettes. If a disposable is the thing that gets a smoker through the first difficult weeks, I would rather see that than another packet of cigarettes.
My problem is with manufacturers that looked at the most reusable, repairable and enthusiast-driven part of vaping and apparently decided what it really needed was more sealed plastic rubbish.
A smoker needs a practical alternative. A DTL vaper does not need a 17ml dependency machine designed to become electronic waste when the juice runs out.
Twenty milligrams at 0.4 ohms deserves scrutiny too. Nicotine concentration alone does not tell us the absorbed dose, because power, puff duration and user behaviour all matter. But DTL generally produces much more aerosol per puff than a small MTL device. Stuffing high-strength nic salt into that format and shouting “14,000 puffs” is not a development I am going to applaud.
The compliance arithmetic is also having a nervous breakdown
Fumot advertises the Altera for Germany with 17ml of 20mg/ml nicotine e-liquid. Article 20 of the EU Tobacco Products Directive ordinarily limits nicotine-containing disposable cartridges and tanks to 2ml.
EU directive:
I am a goat, not a German compliance lawyer. I have not inspected the internal liquid system or seen its notification file, so I am not declaring the product illegal from a webpage.
There may be a lawful compartment arrangement or some other technical explanation that the advertising fails to mention. Fine. Then explain it.
Seventeen and two are not the same bloody number.
If the listing is wrong, correct it. If there is a legitimate compliance mechanism, show us. “TPD compliant” should mean more than printing the words near the shopping cart and hoping nobody checks the arithmetic.
And no, “Eco” does not make a disposable environmentally friendly
The other device in this announcement is the RandM Eco 4in1 80K: four sealed tanks, a rechargeable battery, electronics and a rotating mouthpiece packed into a roughly 150g device.
Recharging a disposable is better than throwing away a half-used battery. It still does not make sealed hardware sustainable.
A refillable setup can survive bottle after bottle of e-liquid. With this thing, once those tanks are empty, the battery, chip, coils, casing and carousel all become somebody else’s recycling problem.
Calling it “Eco” merely puts a green hat on the rubbish pile.
The claimed puff counts deserve the usual bucket of salt as well. “Up to 80,000” is a manufacturer estimate based on controlled puff lengths, not an independently verified odometer. The sponsored announcement itself gives a lower claimed real-world range of 55,000 to 70,000. Either way, a giant number does not make the hardware reusable.
Leave something worth preserving
We spent years defending vaping as harm reduction rather than another disposable consumer vice. Refillable devices, sensible nicotine strengths, replaceable coils, rebuildables and DIY juice gave adults control over what they used and how they used it.
DTL represents the part of that culture that still values knowledge, maintenance and craft.
Manufacturers should be improving those things—better rebuildables, safer mods, repairable devices, available spares and coil platforms that do not disappear six months after launch.
Instead, somebody has decided to bolt DTL airflow onto a disposable, fill it with 20mg salt and call that innovation.
No thanks.
Keep your disposable crap out of DTL.
Am I being too protective of the old workshop culture, or is a high-strength DTL disposable exactly the direction vaping should refuse to follow?
A DTL disposable.
Because apparently ordinary disposables were not wasteful enough. Now they want to drag disposable thinking into the part of vaping that was built to be the exact opposite.
Sponsored announcement:
Fumot Expands German Line-Up: 4-in-1 80K Device, Altera 14K, and an Oktoberfest Edition With Four New Cocktail Flavors
Fumotde.de rolls out three new devices and four spritz- and mojito-inspired flavors in time for Germany's festival season.
Official Altera listing:
Fumot Altera 14K
14.000 Züge · DTL Dual Mesh Coil · ECO/BOOST Modi · LED-Display · 18 Geschmäcker
fumotde.de
DTL has always been the workshop end of vaping
DTL was built by hobbyists.
It is where we learned to wrap coils, wick decks, balance airflow, understand Ohm’s law and choose batteries that would not turn our trousers into an emergency. It is where people mixed their own juice, experimented with flavour and spent three pages arguing about whether raising a coil by half a millimetre improved the vape.
We bought hardware that could be maintained. A decent mod lasted years. An RDA or RTA could last even longer. When the cotton was finished, we replaced the cotton—not the battery, circuit board, casing, screen and entire bloody device.
That is DTL at its purest: not a puff delivery service, but a craft.
Now we have a sealed plastic device running a 0.4-ohm coil with 20mg nic salt through it. No rebuilding. No maintenance. No choosing a sensible nicotine strength for the amount of vapour being produced. Use it, flatten it and throw the whole machine away.
That is not progress. It is disposability invading the home of proper vaping.
Before somebody shouts “gatekeeping”
I am not blaming the person using one.
Adults should use whatever keeps them away from cigarettes. If a disposable is the thing that gets a smoker through the first difficult weeks, I would rather see that than another packet of cigarettes.
My problem is with manufacturers that looked at the most reusable, repairable and enthusiast-driven part of vaping and apparently decided what it really needed was more sealed plastic rubbish.
A smoker needs a practical alternative. A DTL vaper does not need a 17ml dependency machine designed to become electronic waste when the juice runs out.
Twenty milligrams at 0.4 ohms deserves scrutiny too. Nicotine concentration alone does not tell us the absorbed dose, because power, puff duration and user behaviour all matter. But DTL generally produces much more aerosol per puff than a small MTL device. Stuffing high-strength nic salt into that format and shouting “14,000 puffs” is not a development I am going to applaud.
The compliance arithmetic is also having a nervous breakdown
Fumot advertises the Altera for Germany with 17ml of 20mg/ml nicotine e-liquid. Article 20 of the EU Tobacco Products Directive ordinarily limits nicotine-containing disposable cartridges and tanks to 2ml.
EU directive:
I am a goat, not a German compliance lawyer. I have not inspected the internal liquid system or seen its notification file, so I am not declaring the product illegal from a webpage.
There may be a lawful compartment arrangement or some other technical explanation that the advertising fails to mention. Fine. Then explain it.
Seventeen and two are not the same bloody number.
If the listing is wrong, correct it. If there is a legitimate compliance mechanism, show us. “TPD compliant” should mean more than printing the words near the shopping cart and hoping nobody checks the arithmetic.
And no, “Eco” does not make a disposable environmentally friendly
The other device in this announcement is the RandM Eco 4in1 80K: four sealed tanks, a rechargeable battery, electronics and a rotating mouthpiece packed into a roughly 150g device.
Recharging a disposable is better than throwing away a half-used battery. It still does not make sealed hardware sustainable.
A refillable setup can survive bottle after bottle of e-liquid. With this thing, once those tanks are empty, the battery, chip, coils, casing and carousel all become somebody else’s recycling problem.
Calling it “Eco” merely puts a green hat on the rubbish pile.
The claimed puff counts deserve the usual bucket of salt as well. “Up to 80,000” is a manufacturer estimate based on controlled puff lengths, not an independently verified odometer. The sponsored announcement itself gives a lower claimed real-world range of 55,000 to 70,000. Either way, a giant number does not make the hardware reusable.
Leave something worth preserving
We spent years defending vaping as harm reduction rather than another disposable consumer vice. Refillable devices, sensible nicotine strengths, replaceable coils, rebuildables and DIY juice gave adults control over what they used and how they used it.
DTL represents the part of that culture that still values knowledge, maintenance and craft.
Manufacturers should be improving those things—better rebuildables, safer mods, repairable devices, available spares and coil platforms that do not disappear six months after launch.
Instead, somebody has decided to bolt DTL airflow onto a disposable, fill it with 20mg salt and call that innovation.
No thanks.
Keep your disposable crap out of DTL.
Am I being too protective of the old workshop culture, or is a high-strength DTL disposable exactly the direction vaping should refuse to follow?